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North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam: KCNA - No sense doing this. There is no way you can fight against the U.S.
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Resty Wyse
2017-08-09 15:43:16 UTC
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North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam: KCNA - No sense doing this. There is no way you can fight against the U.S.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-seriously-considering-plan-strike-guam-222757124.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_08
lo yeeOn
2017-08-10 00:12:19 UTC
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North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam: KCNA - No
sense doing this. There is no way you can fight against the U.S.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-seriously-considering-plan-strike-guam-222757124.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_08
But but but, my dear rst0wxyz, you are just acting like an easy dupe
of western propaganda. I have never heard that NK was seriously
considering striking anywhere or anybody UNLESS it were to see an
attack coming at them.

Note that word UNLESS! For example, in today's CNN, we can read this
sentence in a report about Tillerson's "dialback" of Trump's "Fire and
Fury".

In a report on state-run media, North Korea said it would "turn the
US mainland into the theater of a nuclear war" at the first sign of
an impending American attack.

NK wasn't saying it would start a war by itself. Rather, it said it
would if, necessarily so, it sees "an impending American attack".

This is of course what anybody who has nukes would say. NK is nothing
special.

So, it all goes back to the principle of developing and possessing
nukes as deterrents - a form of self-defense, exactly. I thought
you've been one of those guys who believe that a sovereign country
has an inalienable right of self-defense.

So, you mustn't now mindlessly buy into the narrative that North Korea
is plotting to attack Guam or any part of the United States.

Indeed, the country has a record of being very careful in treating its
western criminal offenders they put in captivity. They are very
careful not to give the US government an excuse to declare war against
their country because of such and such.

Every American should be very mindful about distinguishing between a
"first strike" or "preventive war" which is now often used to refer to
a first strike.

"Preventive" does not mean "preemptive".

A preventive strike is an action taken to prevent a hypothetical
situation.

The Iraq war and the Afghan invasion are all "preventive" wars, at
best. They were, and are, in fact imperialistic, immoral, and above
all, unending burdens to our country. A preventive war turns a
theoretical situation into a reality with immense and often
uncontrollable downside.

The way you should be reading the KCNA statement is that it is a
warning that any of our first strike actions could be countered with
something as substantial as Guam being attacked as a form of
retaliation - and no more.

We know that this is the sanest way to interpret that statement
because 1) we have enough decades dealing with North Korea to know
that its government is not crazy and 2) we have seen the war record of
our government - none of them turn out to be manageable, even when the
targets are militarily weak countries like Libya and Afghanistan.
You could even make the case that Washington is crazier than NK.

And McCain's taunt of Trump, telling him to make good his "fire and
fury" threat against North Korea, is nothing but an utterly dangerous
sign of irresponsibility coming from a crazy and perhaps demented
politican.

(A senator is supposed to be wise and prudent. McCain, instead, is
trying to goad the president to start a war noone knows how to end.
This is what we've got for our democracy?)

How do we know that North Korea's government isn't crazy? Even the
former US ambassador to China, Max Baucus, has recently reassured us
as much. We have to be very racist and unbelievably dumb as well in
order to think that North Koreans are suicidal people and therefore
they would commit suicide by launching a first strike against us in
Guam or Seoul.

So, what is the conclusion?

Of course, it is clear that if we don't attack North Korea, then it
won't attack Guam, the plan of attacking which is only a contingency
aimed for self-defense.

lo yeeOn
Resty Wyse
2017-08-10 01:38:56 UTC
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Post by Resty Wyse
North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam: KCNA - No
sense doing this. There is no way you can fight against the U.S.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-seriously-considering-plan-strike-guam-222757124.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_08
But but but, my dear rst0wxyz, you are just acting like an easy dupe
of western propaganda. I have never heard that NK was seriously
considering striking anywhere or anybody UNLESS it were to see an
attack coming at them.
Note that word UNLESS! For example, in today's CNN, we can read this
sentence in a report about Tillerson's "dialback" of Trump's "Fire and
Fury".
In a report on state-run media, North Korea said it would "turn the
US mainland into the theater of a nuclear war" at the first sign of
an impending American attack.
NK wasn't saying it would start a war by itself. Rather, it said it
would if, necessarily so, it sees "an impending American attack".
This is of course what anybody who has nukes would say. NK is nothing
special.
So, it all goes back to the principle of developing and possessing
nukes as deterrents - a form of self-defense, exactly. I thought
you've been one of those guys who believe that a sovereign country
has an inalienable right of self-defense.
So, you mustn't now mindlessly buy into the narrative that North Korea
is plotting to attack Guam or any part of the United States.
Indeed, the country has a record of being very careful in treating its
western criminal offenders they put in captivity. They are very
careful not to give the US government an excuse to declare war against
their country because of such and such.
Every American should be very mindful about distinguishing between a
"first strike" or "preventive war" which is now often used to refer to
a first strike.
"Preventive" does not mean "preemptive".
A preventive strike is an action taken to prevent a hypothetical
situation.
The Iraq war and the Afghan invasion are all "preventive" wars, at
best. They were, and are, in fact imperialistic, immoral, and above
all, unending burdens to our country. A preventive war turns a
theoretical situation into a reality with immense and often
uncontrollable downside.
The way you should be reading the KCNA statement is that it is a
warning that any of our first strike actions could be countered with
something as substantial as Guam being attacked as a form of
retaliation - and no more.
We know that this is the sanest way to interpret that statement
because 1) we have enough decades dealing with North Korea to know
that its government is not crazy and 2) we have seen the war record of
our government - none of them turn out to be manageable, even when the
targets are militarily weak countries like Libya and Afghanistan.
You could even make the case that Washington is crazier than NK.
And McCain's taunt of Trump, telling him to make good his "fire and
fury" threat against North Korea, is nothing but an utterly dangerous
sign of irresponsibility coming from a crazy and perhaps demented
politican.
(A senator is supposed to be wise and prudent. McCain, instead, is
trying to goad the president to start a war noone knows how to end.
This is what we've got for our democracy?)
How do we know that North Korea's government isn't crazy? Even the
former US ambassador to China, Max Baucus, has recently reassured us
as much. We have to be very racist and unbelievably dumb as well in
order to think that North Koreans are suicidal people and therefore
they would commit suicide by launching a first strike against us in
Guam or Seoul.
So, what is the conclusion?
Of course, it is clear that if we don't attack North Korea, then it
won't attack Guam, the plan of attacking which is only a contingency
aimed for self-defense.
lo yeeOn
North Korea is saying they will have the plan to strike in mid-August. This is one bluff they can not do!!!
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