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This mail-order diploma mill dates back to 1954 - Yale Guen Mar was one of its earliest customers.

http://quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/Nonrecorg/bernadean.html


Bernadean University:
A Mail-Order Diploma Mill

Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Bernadean University, whose postal address was in Los Angeles, was never been authorized to operate or to grant degrees. Yet it managed to remain in business for more than 40 years. Bernadean's web site stated that it was accredited by the World Council of Global Education and that its College of Health Sciences was accredited by the American Association of Drugless Practitioners. However, these entities were not recognized by the U.S. Secretary of Education and should be considered academically meaningless. Bernadean's "College of Law" claimed to offer a degree "based on the Harvard Law School curriculum, and its "College of Health Sciences" offered courses in acupressure, acupuncture, anatomy and physiology, Bach flower therapies, cancer therapies, herbology, homeopathy, iridology, kinesiology, massage, natural childbirth, nutrition, reflexology, reiki, shiatsu, and weight control. Ten subjects were required for a Doctor of Naturopathy (ND) degree. Completing five more would earn a "Doctor of Preventive Medicine (DPM)" degree. Degrees were also available in "pastoral counseling."

Alumni in Action

Bernadean's best known graduate is Richard A. Passwater, "PhD," whose books include Cancer and Its Nutritional Therapies, Supernutrition, and Selenium As Food and Medicine. Passwater is director of research for Solgar Company, Inc. (a supplement manufacturer) and writes regularly for Whole Foods, a health-food-industry trade magazine. He has also edited a series of "Good Health Guide" booklets (Keats Publishing Inc.) whose purpose is to promote the sales of products sold through health-food stores. Other Bernadean credential-holders include:

Ray Blair, ND, who marketed various supplement products and produced a newsletter called "Strictly Personal."

Patricia Bragg, PhD, ND, is described on her Web site as a "Life Extension Nutritionist, Author of 10 Self-Health Books, Dynamic Health Crusader, Lecturer, Health Educator and Fitness Advisor to World Leaders, Hollywood Stars, Singers, Dancers and Athletes." The site states that she "was awarded a Ph.D. in health science in 1973 and doctor of naturopathy degree in 1974 from Bernadean University in Nevada."

Sidney L. Davis, ND, of Great Lakes, Illinois, who received naturopathy degrees from Bernadean University and the Anglo-American Institute of Drugless Therapy (another diploma mill). A biographical sketch stated: "He conducts health seminars as a medical missionary outreach registered as 'The Entering Wedge Society' and specializes in live cell microscopy in conjunction with nutritional counseling using diet and natural remedies as aids to better health and longevity."with nutritional counseling using diet and natural remedies as aids to better health and longevity.

Stan Hatkoff, MS, DDiv, who received his pastoral, counseling and healing training from Bernadean University, Georgia State University, and the British Institute of Homeopathy, operated the Isaiah Bible Healing School, a correspondence school that offered lessons in "chronic pain and fatigue, anxiety, bitterness and unforgiveness, anger, grief and loss, heart disease and cancer, hypertension, irritable bowel syndrome, meaningless and life direction, sleep disorders, depression, addictions, migraines, arthritis and joint pain, and many more."

Gerhard Hanswille, an unlicensed Canadian "herbalist/naturopath" gave advice leading to the death of 17-month-old Lorie Atikian, who developed malnutrition and pneumonia after being kept on a meager diet he had recommended.

Eveline Jerman ND, PhD, CA, who practices traditional Chinese medicine and "naturopathy" in Haifa, Israel. Her Web page states that she aims to "help balance the flow of internal energy in order to maintain a healthy body and mind."

Ernst T. Krebs, Jr., co-discoverer and promoter of the quack cancer remedy laetrile.

Timothy Kuss PhD, CNC., a California nutritionist, has MS and PhD degrees from the American Holistic College of Nutrition [a nonaccredited correspondence school that subsequently operated as the Clayton College of Natural Health] and naturopathy certification from Bernadean. Biographical sketches describe him as Director of Research and Development at Infinity Health in Denver, Colorado; co-founder of the Institute of Bio Energetic Research in Walnut Creek, California; and a consultant to over 1,500 medical clinics across the country.

Dennis Ray Martin, JD, chief executive officer for the Denlin Corporation, a medical equipment manufacturer.

Richard Picks, DN, who markets noni juice and who speaks on motivational and nutritional topics throughout the United States and Canada.

Osha B. Reader, ND, PhD, is founder of Origin, a California facility for helping people optimize their physical, mental, and spiritual health."

James Salvadori, Jr., who became "certified" by Bernadean after taking a nutrition course. He founded and New Sun, Inc., a multilevel company that markets herbs and dietary supplement products.

Chester P. Yozwick, "CNA, ND, PMD" founded and served as president of the American Institute of Holistic Theology [AIHT], a nonaccredited correspondence school offering bachelor's, masters, and doctoral programs in metaphysics, "parapsychic science," divinity, "healtheology," holistic ministries, and "naturology. (Like Bernadean, AIHT states that it is accredited by American Association of Drugless Practitioners.) Yozwick was also author of "How to Practice Nutritional Counseling Legally Without Being Guilty of Practicing Medicine Without a License," a 42-page manual for "natural health" practitioners [1]. The booklet's foreword, written by Kadans, calls Yozwick "a highly regarded graduate of Bernadean University." The key to avoiding legal trouble, said Yozwick, was not to "diagnose, treat or sell anything or collect fees for anything under the promise that it will cure disease." He advised readers to watch their language, to avoid naming organs of the body, and to say what they would do if they had their client's problem. He advised screening clients with a questionnaire, verifying their identity, and taking other steps to keep out "undesirables" (such as government investigators). He advised using a disclaimer stating that the advice given is not a substitute for medical treatment but is "for the sole purpose of teaching people how to build their own health." He also advised joining a professional nutritional association that can provide sound legal advice, nutrition news, group malpractice insurance, increased prestige, and news of "detrimental" legislative developments.

Background History

Bernadean's logo dates its founding to 1954. Its founder, Joseph M. Kadans, "PhD, JD, ND, ThD," (1912-1993) claimed to have obtained a law degree in 1943 from Eastern College of Commerce and Law (a nonaccredited law school), and to have earned PhD and ND degrees from the International University in New Delhi, India. However, an investigation by the Nevada State Board of Bar Examiners could not confirm that Kadans had enrolled in the New Delhi School. The investigation was ordered by the Nevada Supreme Court after Kadans petitioned to take the state bar examination, even though he lacked an accredited law degree. The board concluded that he had received a doctor of theology degree from Berean Christian College in Kansas in exchange for a degree from Bernadean to the President of Berean Christian College! [2] Kadens's book, Encyclopedia of Medicinal Herbs, is filled with unfounded advice [3].

Bernadean University was never authorized by the State of Nevada to operate or grant degrees. State investigators reported that it operated out of a small office with no classrooms and had four "faculty" members (who merely helped grade student papers), only one of whom even possessed a high school diploma. The investigators also found that law books Kadans claimed to have written were merely "an incomplete compilation of texts written by other authors" which Kadans had copied on Xerox machines. In 1977, the Nevada Supreme Court turned down Kadans' petition, stating, "We agree with the Board's conclusion that Kadans' operation of the dubious Bernadean University and his misrepresentations concerning the nature of the University cast serious doubt upon Kadans' moral suitability to practice law in this state." [2] During the same year, the Nevada courts ordered Bernadean to stop issuing degrees .

Undaunted, Kadans moved his "university" to Van Nuys, California. Although it was ordered to cease operation by a ruling of the California Attorney General [4], it continued to operate. Besides guiding his new operation as "Dean of Students," Kadans was also executive director of the "International Naturopathic Association," [5] which claimed a membership of 2,000 and had the same Nevada address as Bernadean University [6]. In 1981, the group's name was changed to "International Association of Holistic Health Practitioners (Naturopathic)," but its executive director and address remained the same.

In 1978, Benjamin Wilson, M.D., a surgical resident concerned about quackery, examined Bernadean's offerings and made a series of inquiries. One course that was offered was "Child. 101," which cost $90 and was described as: "Comprehensive course in home delivery, with section on natural birth control. Certificate as Mid-Wife." "Can. 401," offered for $120, was described as "a special research course in cancer theories and therapies. Degree as Master of Cancer Theories (Ct.M.)." Other offerings included a three-credit course in basic nutrition, resulting in a certificate as a "Nutritionist," for $120. A "Cancer Researcher" certificate could be obtained after a two-credit-hour course costing $80. Holders of a bachelor's degree could obtain a master's degree if they wrote a "thesis" or took "some short course with the school." A doctoral degree ("PhD" or "ScD") could then be obtained by taking 36 credit hours (@ $40 per credit) or writing an "equivalent" thesis. "Doctoral" degrees in acupuncture, reflexology, iridology, naturopathy, and homeopathy were also available. The naturopathy course cost $800 or $2,400. Both were said to have the same contents, but the more expensive version included unlimited toll-free telephone calls with Kadans plus "free consultations," a tape recorder, and a tape of a health talk with each lesson. Any student who satisfactorily completed a course could apply for designation as a "school mentor" who then could tutor new students. Mentors were also referred to as "Adjunct Professors."

Kadans was assisted in his California operation by Howard Long, "ThD, DSc," a former health-food store operator who also was executive director of the Adelle Davis Foundation. From 1962 through 1972, Long had been vice president in charge of membership, promotion, education, public relations, and conventions for the National Health Federation. In 1978, Wilson asked whether Bernadean would award him an honorary MD or PhD degree in return for a contribution of several hundred dollars. Wilson stressed that he needed one in a hurry because he was about to publish a book. Long replied that the MD degree "will not be offered by the University under any circumstances," but a PhD was possible--"with the necessary credentials" plus payment of $1,000.

In, 1981, Virginia Aronson, RD, (a real nutritionist) obtained a "Nutritionist" certificate from Bernadean, even though she deliberately attempted to fail the course. On the first "test," she answered the 35 true/false questions in accordance with nutrition facts. Since nearly one third of her answers contradicted information given in the school's lessons, she expected to get a grade of 70 or below. However, the test was returned with a grade of 90, with a letter from the "office administrator" stating: "You may use the book for answers as it is an open book course. I just seem to feel that you put the answers in the wrong column." On the second test, Aronson answered all the questions accurately so that her grade-based on information given in the course-should have been a zero. Yet she received a grade of 100% and an accompanying note congratulating her on the "excellent manner in which you have completed the Nutrition course." Her "Nutritionist" certificate, obtained for an additional $10, contains an attractive gold seal and indicated that she graduated "cum laude"! [7]

In 1990, the Nevada Commission on Postsecondary Education refused to process an application from Kadans to operate a correspondence school to grant law degrees. An official wrote:

Your past history and practices make it evident that you are unqualified to be licensed as a postsecondary school in the state of Nevada. I am aware of your history as Bernadean University and its predecessor.

Pursuant to [Nevada laws], you are required to be of good reputation and character. . . . In . . . 1977 . . . our Supreme Court found that you indulged in misrepresentations in . . . the operation of Bernadean University in Las Vegas and found that you were morally unfit to practice law in Nevada. In addition, we have evidence that Bernadean University issued a diploma in 1986 to an inmate at Leavenworth for the degree of Juris Doctor and Master of Theology without the academic achievement consistent with such diplomas. [8]

Bernadean continued to operate in California for about 12 years after Kadans's death in 1993. In 2002, I became aware that it was using the names Burney Universitatis and Burney University. Its Web site continued to function until 2005, offering a $25,000+ "doctoral" course in naturopathy as well as "certifications in iridology, reflexology, nutrition, oxygen therapies, physical culture, permaculture, homoeopathyâ EURO ¨alternative energy, martial arts, and other fields in the natural sciences . . . available upon request." [9]

California Bar statistics show that between February 1992 and July 1996, all Bernadean University College of Law graduates who took the Bar examination failed it.

References

Yozwick CP. How to Practice Nutritional Counseling Legally Without Being Guilty of Practicing Medicine Without a License. Youngstown, Ohio: Cheswick Publishers, 1985.
In the matter of Joseph Kadans. No. 9838, April 8, 1977, 562 P.2nd 490.
Kadans JM. Encyclopedia of Medicinal Herbs. New York: Arco Publishing, 1970.
Welty RD. Letter to Thomas P. Bartley, June 1, 1981.
Encyclopedia of Associations. Detroit: Gale Publishing, 1978.
Encyclopedia of Medical Organizations and Agencies, 7th Edition, Detroit: Gale Publishing, 1998.
Aronson V. You can't tell a nutritionist by the diploma. FDA Consumer 17(6):28-29, 1983.
Krear ML. Letter to Joseph M. Kadans, Jan 17, 1990.
Bernadean University Web site, Archived on March 5, 2005.
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No classes in electrical engineering. You lose.
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No classes in electrical engineering. You lose.
No classes for mail-order diplomas, period. You lose.

And that's the reason you made a fool of yourself when you tried to do a literature search in control engineering.
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This mail-order diploma mill dates back to 1954 - Yale Guen Mar was one of its earliest customers.
http://quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/Nonrecorg/bernadean.html
A Mail-Order Diploma Mill
You have been faking a lot of things Yale Guen Mar. You claimed you were an electrical engineer who worked in a missile testing facility.

And then you talked too much and it turned out that you have no idea of what control engineering is, let alone do a literature search in it.

A janitorial job or a cafeteria job, even at a defense establishment, does not require security clearance. And even if it did, you would not have dared apply for it lest you get caught for obtaining citizenship papers fraudulently.

Yale Guen Mar had never seen his alleged biological father till he was 11 when he landed in San Francisco.

But the claim is that Yale Guen Mar was not an accidental baby. The alleged biological father is alleged to have mailed his seeds to Yale Guen Mar's father by postal service.

In the pre-DNA era, Yale Guen Mar managed to sneak into USA in 1949 on the basis of this dubious paternity claim.

Yale Guen Mar, you are an illegal alien with fake citizenship papers.
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Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Bernadean University, whose postal address was in Los Angeles, was never been authorized to operate or to grant degrees. Yet it managed to remain in business for more than 40 years. Bernadean's web site stated that it was accredited by the World Council of Global Education and that its College of Health Sciences was accredited by the American Association of Drugless Practitioners. However, these entities were not recognized by the U.S. Secretary of Education and should be considered academically meaningless. Bernadean's "College of Law" claimed to offer a degree "based on the Harvard Law School curriculum, and its "College of Health Sciences" offered courses in acupressure, acupuncture, anatomy and physiology, Bach flower therapies, cancer therapies, herbology, homeopathy, iridology, kinesiology, massage, natural childbirth, nutrition, reflexology, reiki, shiatsu, and weight control. Ten subjects were required for a Doctor of Naturopathy (ND) degree. Completing five more would earn a "Doctor of Preventive Medicine (DPM)" degree. Degrees were also available in "pastoral counseling."
Alumni in Action
Ray Blair, ND, who marketed various supplement products and produced a newsletter called "Strictly Personal."
Patricia Bragg, PhD, ND, is described on her Web site as a "Life Extension Nutritionist, Author of 10 Self-Health Books, Dynamic Health Crusader, Lecturer, Health Educator and Fitness Advisor to World Leaders, Hollywood Stars, Singers, Dancers and Athletes." The site states that she "was awarded a Ph.D. in health science in 1973 and doctor of naturopathy degree in 1974 from Bernadean University in Nevada."
Sidney L. Davis, ND, of Great Lakes, Illinois, who received naturopathy degrees from Bernadean University and the Anglo-American Institute of Drugless Therapy (another diploma mill). A biographical sketch stated: "He conducts health seminars as a medical missionary outreach registered as 'The Entering Wedge Society' and specializes in live cell microscopy in conjunction with nutritional counseling using diet and natural remedies as aids to better health and longevity."with nutritional counseling using diet and natural remedies as aids to better health and longevity.
Stan Hatkoff, MS, DDiv, who received his pastoral, counseling and healing training from Bernadean University, Georgia State University, and the British Institute of Homeopathy, operated the Isaiah Bible Healing School, a correspondence school that offered lessons in "chronic pain and fatigue, anxiety, bitterness and unforgiveness, anger, grief and loss, heart disease and cancer, hypertension, irritable bowel syndrome, meaningless and life direction, sleep disorders, depression, addictions, migraines, arthritis and joint pain, and many more."
Gerhard Hanswille, an unlicensed Canadian "herbalist/naturopath" gave advice leading to the death of 17-month-old Lorie Atikian, who developed malnutrition and pneumonia after being kept on a meager diet he had recommended.
Eveline Jerman ND, PhD, CA, who practices traditional Chinese medicine and "naturopathy" in Haifa, Israel. Her Web page states that she aims to "help balance the flow of internal energy in order to maintain a healthy body and mind."
Ernst T. Krebs, Jr., co-discoverer and promoter of the quack cancer remedy laetrile.
Timothy Kuss PhD, CNC., a California nutritionist, has MS and PhD degrees from the American Holistic College of Nutrition [a nonaccredited correspondence school that subsequently operated as the Clayton College of Natural Health] and naturopathy certification from Bernadean. Biographical sketches describe him as Director of Research and Development at Infinity Health in Denver, Colorado; co-founder of the Institute of Bio Energetic Research in Walnut Creek, California; and a consultant to over 1,500 medical clinics across the country.
Dennis Ray Martin, JD, chief executive officer for the Denlin Corporation, a medical equipment manufacturer.
Richard Picks, DN, who markets noni juice and who speaks on motivational and nutritional topics throughout the United States and Canada.
Osha B. Reader, ND, PhD, is founder of Origin, a California facility for helping people optimize their physical, mental, and spiritual health."
James Salvadori, Jr., who became "certified" by Bernadean after taking a nutrition course. He founded and New Sun, Inc., a multilevel company that markets herbs and dietary supplement products.
Chester P. Yozwick, "CNA, ND, PMD" founded and served as president of the American Institute of Holistic Theology [AIHT], a nonaccredited correspondence school offering bachelor's, masters, and doctoral programs in metaphysics, "parapsychic science," divinity, "healtheology," holistic ministries, and "naturology. (Like Bernadean, AIHT states that it is accredited by American Association of Drugless Practitioners.) Yozwick was also author of "How to Practice Nutritional Counseling Legally Without Being Guilty of Practicing Medicine Without a License," a 42-page manual for "natural health" practitioners [1]. The booklet's foreword, written by Kadans, calls Yozwick "a highly regarded graduate of Bernadean University." The key to avoiding legal trouble, said Yozwick, was not to "diagnose, treat or sell anything or collect fees for anything under the promise that it will cure disease." He advised readers to watch their language, to avoid naming organs of the body, and to say what they would do if they had their client's problem. He advised screening clients with a questionnaire, verifying their identity, and taking other steps to keep out "undesirables" (such as government investigators). He advised using a disclaimer stating that the advice given is not a substitute for medical treatment but is "for the sole purpose of teaching people how to build their own health." He also advised joining a professional nutritional association that can provide sound legal advice, nutrition news, group malpractice insurance, increased prestige, and news of "detrimental" legislative developments.
Background History
Bernadean's logo dates its founding to 1954. Its founder, Joseph M. Kadans, "PhD, JD, ND, ThD," (1912-1993) claimed to have obtained a law degree in 1943 from Eastern College of Commerce and Law (a nonaccredited law school), and to have earned PhD and ND degrees from the International University in New Delhi, India. However, an investigation by the Nevada State Board of Bar Examiners could not confirm that Kadans had enrolled in the New Delhi School. The investigation was ordered by the Nevada Supreme Court after Kadans petitioned to take the state bar examination, even though he lacked an accredited law degree. The board concluded that he had received a doctor of theology degree from Berean Christian College in Kansas in exchange for a degree from Bernadean to the President of Berean Christian College! [2] Kadens's book, Encyclopedia of Medicinal Herbs, is filled with unfounded advice [3].
Bernadean University was never authorized by the State of Nevada to operate or grant degrees. State investigators reported that it operated out of a small office with no classrooms and had four "faculty" members (who merely helped grade student papers), only one of whom even possessed a high school diploma. The investigators also found that law books Kadans claimed to have written were merely "an incomplete compilation of texts written by other authors" which Kadans had copied on Xerox machines. In 1977, the Nevada Supreme Court turned down Kadans' petition, stating, "We agree with the Board's conclusion that Kadans' operation of the dubious Bernadean University and his misrepresentations concerning the nature of the University cast serious doubt upon Kadans' moral suitability to practice law in this state." [2] During the same year, the Nevada courts ordered Bernadean to stop issuing degrees .
Undaunted, Kadans moved his "university" to Van Nuys, California. Although it was ordered to cease operation by a ruling of the California Attorney General [4], it continued to operate. Besides guiding his new operation as "Dean of Students," Kadans was also executive director of the "International Naturopathic Association," [5] which claimed a membership of 2,000 and had the same Nevada address as Bernadean University [6]. In 1981, the group's name was changed to "International Association of Holistic Health Practitioners (Naturopathic)," but its executive director and address remained the same.
Kadans was assisted in his California operation by Howard Long, "ThD, DSc," a former health-food store operator who also was executive director of the Adelle Davis Foundation. From 1962 through 1972, Long had been vice president in charge of membership, promotion, education, public relations, and conventions for the National Health Federation. In 1978, Wilson asked whether Bernadean would award him an honorary MD or PhD degree in return for a contribution of several hundred dollars. Wilson stressed that he needed one in a hurry because he was about to publish a book. Long replied that the MD degree "will not be offered by the University under any circumstances," but a PhD was possible--"with the necessary credentials" plus payment of $1,000.
In, 1981, Virginia Aronson, RD, (a real nutritionist) obtained a "Nutritionist" certificate from Bernadean, even though she deliberately attempted to fail the course. On the first "test," she answered the 35 true/false questions in accordance with nutrition facts. Since nearly one third of her answers contradicted information given in the school's lessons, she expected to get a grade of 70 or below. However, the test was returned with a grade of 90, with a letter from the "office administrator" stating: "You may use the book for answers as it is an open book course. I just seem to feel that you put the answers in the wrong column." On the second test, Aronson answered all the questions accurately so that her grade-based on information given in the course-should have been a zero. Yet she received a grade of 100% and an accompanying note congratulating her on the "excellent manner in which you have completed the Nutrition course." Her "Nutritionist" certificate, obtained for an additional $10, contains an attractive gold seal and indicated that she graduated "cum laude"! [7]
Your past history and practices make it evident that you are unqualified to be licensed as a postsecondary school in the state of Nevada. I am aware of your history as Bernadean University and its predecessor.
Pursuant to [Nevada laws], you are required to be of good reputation and character. . . . In . . . 1977 . . . our Supreme Court found that you indulged in misrepresentations in . . . the operation of Bernadean University in Las Vegas and found that you were morally unfit to practice law in Nevada. In addition, we have evidence that Bernadean University issued a diploma in 1986 to an inmate at Leavenworth for the degree of Juris Doctor and Master of Theology without the academic achievement consistent with such diplomas. [8]
Bernadean continued to operate in California for about 12 years after Kadans's death in 1993. In 2002, I became aware that it was using the names Burney Universitatis and Burney University. Its Web site continued to function until 2005, offering a $25,000+ "doctoral" course in naturopathy as well as "certifications in iridology, reflexology, nutrition, oxygen therapies, physical culture, permaculture, homoeopathyâ EURO ¨alternative energy, martial arts, and other fields in the natural sciences . . . available upon request." [9]
California Bar statistics show that between February 1992 and July 1996, all Bernadean University College of Law graduates who took the Bar examination failed it.
References
Yozwick CP. How to Practice Nutritional Counseling Legally Without Being Guilty of Practicing Medicine Without a License. Youngstown, Ohio: Cheswick Publishers, 1985.
In the matter of Joseph Kadans. No. 9838, April 8, 1977, 562 P.2nd 490.
Kadans JM. Encyclopedia of Medicinal Herbs. New York: Arco Publishing, 1970.
Welty RD. Letter to Thomas P. Bartley, June 1, 1981.
Encyclopedia of Associations. Detroit: Gale Publishing, 1978.
Encyclopedia of Medical Organizations and Agencies, 7th Edition, Detroit: Gale Publishing, 1998.
Aronson V. You can't tell a nutritionist by the diploma. FDA Consumer 17(6):28-29, 1983.
Krear ML. Letter to Joseph M. Kadans, Jan 17, 1990.
Bernadean University Web site, Archived on March 5, 2005.
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Yale Guen Mar, never forget that Tony Chee Mar brought you up in his home in 914 10th Street in Phoenix, AZ. He let you work in his cafe. He taught you English and mathematics. He taught you the difference between a rational number and an irrational number.

If you failed to get an education, it was your fault, not theirs. Your siblings Ellen, Donald and Eugene didn't fail them. Donald, Ellen and Eugene are as honest and upright as they are accomplished.

Yale Gien Mar, you shouldn't grudge the fact that Tony Chee Mar cut off your pigtail the moment you landed in San Francisco on the Thanksgiving day of 1949.

Nor should you grudge Tony Chee Mar for refusing to shave a straight line along your head.

Tony Chee Mar was a thoughtful father. He didn't want you to be ridiculed and heckled by your school mates in the new country.

That is why he chopped off your pigtail as soon as you got off the boat in San Francisco. And that is why he shaved off all your hair so that you could grow a normal crew cut and meld with your classmates.

Yale Guen Mar, never blame your mother, Kim Hi Wong, and your father, Tony Chee Mar, for all your woes. Act like a grown up. For heaven's sake, you'll be 79 in less than 3 weeks. Act your age. You should make an honest attempt to own up to your deep character flaws before you croak.

Yale Guen Mar, aren't you the black sheep in the family?. KIm Hi Wong always worried about you. That is why she spanked you all the time to keep you in the straight and narrow. No wonder your buttocks were sore all the time when you were growing up.

But Kim Hi Wong's efforts to redeem you never succeeded . She could drag a mule like you to the well, but she couldn't make you drink from the well.

Yale Guen Mar, you will be 79 on February 1. Do you remember how you muddied the San Francisco Bay in 1949 as soon as you got off the boat from Hong Kong?

Yale Guen Mar, try to make a new beginning. Try hard to get over your grudge against your "dad" Tony Chee Mar.

Yale Guen Mar, you owe Tony Chee Mar everything. Recall that you met Tony Chee Mar for the first time as a 11 year old "Fresh of the Boat" in San Francisco - you had just arrived from Hong Kong in 1949 after the communists took over the country you were born in. Out of the kindness of his heart, Tony Chee Mar (a US citizen) declared that you were his son so that you could be in USA.

Recall what he told you when you arrived in San Francisco. Tony Chee Mar told you, "Yale, you are a turkey".

Tony Chee Mar then added, "This is Thanksgiving. We are going to have turkey."

Wonder-struck, you had said, "Dad, what is Thanksgiving, what is turkey?"

Tony Chee Mar did punish you often, but that was only because he had to and not because it gave him any pleasure. Yale Guen Mar, you were always a pain in the ass. But Tony Chee Mar hoped his (and Kim Hi Wong's) punishments will help you become a better person.

Unfortunately, that was not to be. You were simply incorrigible. You just couldn't stay out of mischief. This, together with the obsession you had developed as a child in rural China for finger-fucking pigs in their assholes, made it inevitable that you would never be more than the miserable self you are right now.

Your mommy, Kim Hi Wong, and your dad, Tony Chee Mar, were good parents and noble souls. Your accomplished siblings Donald Yale Mar, Ellen Heath and Eugene Yale Mar have never failed to acknowledge the contribution of their parents Kim Hi Wong and Tony Chee Mar to their own successes.

Yale Guen Mar, don't be an ingrate. Your plight is your own doing. Tony Chee Mar always did his best to bring you up the right way. It is the height of ingratitude to badmouth Tony Chee Mar for your own failings.

The only thing Kim Hi Wong and Tony Chee Mar were ignorant of was that they were fighting a losing cause in trying to get an incorrigible rascal like you to grow up into decent human being like their other children Donald, Ellen and Eugene. One can drag a mule to the well, but it cannot be made to drink from the well unless it wants to.
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Don't you remember your mother and father?
Good riddence. I didn't even go to my mother's funeral.
Other members of the family never even visit the gravesite.
Stop saying ill of others. Homer Yale Mar regularly visits the graves of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong regularly. He always tidies up their graves in Duncanville, TX, offers fruit, flowers and paper money to his ancestors.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/EpcCD47oZGE
I hadn't seen or talked to my uncle or his family since I came into the U.S.
He died in 1985 of throat cancer. My family didn't even learn of his death
until 1990, 5 years later after his death.
His wife (my aunt) died in the mid-2000. I didn't know about her death
until a year later. The last time I saw her was in the early 1949 in rural China.
Yale Guen Mar, you are making a virtue of necessity. You were told very specifically by the Mars that you are not welcome to Kim Hi Wong's funeral. That is why you had to keep away from her funeral. The story got repeated at Toy Chee Mar's funeral as well.

In fact you were barred from attending the funerals of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong as well. Homer Yale Mar very specifically told you that you were not welcome.
Don't you
remember your father and mother-in-laws?
No. the minute I stopped seeing them, that is the last thought I have for them.
Not quite. You still dream about your room at your parents' house on 914 10th Street in Phoenix. Your parents were most generous. They let you have the room long after you turned 21. You still resent that your brothers Eugene Yale Mar and Donald Yale Mar finally put an end to your mooching. You resent that they cleared the room of your gun collection, photos of your favorite pigs and your short wave radio. You came back to find that they were all gone.
I still remember the good times that I have with my mother in Las
Vegas. I still remember the love that my mother had shown me when I'm
sick, my wife, and children. In fact, we still visit my mother's grave
and bring flowers. Don't you remember your mother and father?
No, no one in my family want to remember them.
Out of sight, out of mind.
Yale Guen Mar, you have been trying to convince one and all that your obnoxious behavior is because of the way your parents brought you up.

Wrong, very wrong. Bad parents are rare. Bad sons are dime a dozen. You are a bad son and an ingrate to boot.

You don't even care for your siblings. You have openly expressed your hostility toward Donald and Eugene just because they got rid of your pig photos, your gun collection and your short wave radio. Don't forget, Donald and Eugene are the achievers that you are not.
What did your mother do to you when you were 11 or 12 years old?
NOT when I was 11, more like from the time I was born to age 11.
Yale Guen Mar, I fault Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong, not for beating you, but for not beating you enough. They should have beat the crap out of you every time you misbehaved, lied and cheated.
I bet
you must really hate her.
I didn't hate her. She had controlled of me when I was in China.
In the U.S. she didn't have controlled. I thrived in the U.S. while I was a failure in China because of her.
To put it in perspective, Yale Guen Mar is a persona non grata among his relatives.

No one in the Mar clan wanted Yale Guen Mar to attend the funerals of Yale Guen Mar's Uncle (his father's twin brother) some 30 years ago. The pattern was repeated at the funeral of Yale Guen Mar's aunt about half-a-dozen years ago. No one in the Mar clan could stand the thought of Yale Guen Mar being at the funeral. So, cousin Yue Chung Mar very plainly told Yale Guen Mar that he was not welcome.

Yale Guen Ma was a bad son right from his birth !!

A bad mother is a rarity. A bad son a far more common occurrence. Yale Guen Mar of courseis never tired of demonizing his mother in an attempt to shift blame. But it is obvious that it is Yale Guen Mar who was always at fault.
Your heart is filled with vengeance toward
your parents. What did they do to you when you were that young?
I didn't hate them. I supported them when the cafe failed.
Yale Guen Mar never supported his parents.. It was the parents who indulged Yale Guen Mar when they allowed him to retain his room in their house long after he was no longer a minor.

Yale Guen Mar lost his room only when his 3 siblings put an end to the indulgence. They got rid of everything that Yale Guen Mar had stored in t hat room, including his collection of his semen-stained photos of his favorite pigs.


No one in the family (including the 3 siblings) wants to remember Yale Guen Mar, and understandably so. Yale Guen Mar was specifically told by family members that he was not welcome at the funeral of his own parents, let alone at the funerals of cousin Yue Chung Mar's parents.

Yale Guen Mar is hated by everyone in the Mar clan.

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I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
"home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
"home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
my things from "home" to California.
Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
or given away without telling me.
My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
$2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
enough to care.
Yale Guen Mar, can't you ever get over the loss of your gun collection, photos of your favorite pigs and your short-wave radio? Donald and Eugene were only trying to protect you from yourself.

Yale Guen Mar, you are being grossly unfair to your brothers Eugene Yale Mar and Donald Yale Mar. They were achievers. The only reason they got rid of your gun collection, short-wave radio and the photos of your favorite pigs was to save you from yourself.

Quit holding grudges against Donald and Eugene, Get their help to cope with your problems.

Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.

Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.

Nephew Yale Guen Mar was not welcome at the funerals by the Mar clan, and for understandable reasons.

But then Yale Guen Mar wasn't welcome at the funerals of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong either. No one wanted him at the funerals.

At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar and his siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.

In stark contrast, Yale Guen Mar spends time sulking about times when he got thrashed by his father Tony Chee Mar and mother Kim Hi Wong for misbehavior.

Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.

Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.

Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.

Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.

Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.

Yale Guen Mar was not allowed at the funeral because no one wanted him there.


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All my relatives/ancestry before my generation were losers.
So don't ever talk about them to me. I have nothing but
contempt for them. And it includes all the cousins I have.
Yale Guen Mar, you used to lie to your parents, uncle and aunt. And now you lie on the newsgroup. Yale Guen Mar, you are all sleaze with not an iota of any redeeming feature.

Yale Guen Mar was a bad son from day one. He was not welcome at the funerals of his uncle and aunt abd even at the funerals of his own parents.

To put Yale Guen Mar's villainy in perspective, no one in the Mar clan wanted Yale Guen Mar to attend the funerals of Yale Guen Mar's Uncle (his father's twin brother) some 30 years ago. The pattern was repeated at the funeral of Yale Guen Mar's aunt about half-a-dozen years ago. No one in the Mar clan could stand the thought of Yale Guen Mar being at the funeral. So, cousin Yue Chung Mar very plainly told Yale Guen Mar that he was not welcome.

Yale Guen Ma was a bad son right from his birth !!

A bad mother is a rarity. A bad son a far more common occurrence. Yale Guen Mar is of course trying to shift the blame on his mother. But it is obvious that it is Yale Guen Mar who was always at fault.


Yale Guen Mar never supported his parents financially or otherwise.. It was the parents who indulged Yale Guen Mar when they allowed him to retain his room in their house long after he was no longer a minor.

Yale Guen Mar lost his room only when his 3 siblings put an end to the indulgence. They got rid of everything that Yale Guen Mar had stored in t hat room, including his collection of his semen-stained photos of his favorite pigs.

No one in the Mar family (including the 3 siblings) wants to remember Yale Guen Mar, and understandably so. Yale Guen Mar was specifically told by family members that he was not welcome at the funeral of his own parents, let alone at the funerals of cousin Yue Chung Mar's parents.

Yale Guen Mar is hated by everyone in the Mar clan and rightly so.

Yale Guen Mar's uncle (father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. He had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.

Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when the uncle found out what the lad had been up to. Yale Guen Mar was beaten to pulp, fired from the job and sent back to Arizona.

No wonder that Yale Guen Mar has a dishonorable discharge from the US Army as a private while his illustrous cousin retired as a colonel in the US Army.

Yale Guen Mar's cousin Homer Yale Mar still remembers Yale Guen Mar's shenanigans that summer in Kansas.

Yale Guen Mar was a janitor at the Junction City Cafe that summer but he would often play hooky to visit a local pig sty to indulge himself.

Yale Guen Mar's uncle (father's twin brother) Ben Shee Mar and aunt Cynthia were exasperated not to find Yale Guen Mar when needed. One day Ben Shee Mar found Yale Guen Mar at the pig sty. The piggery's manager told Yale Guen Mar's uncle that the boy had been spending hours at the pig sty intently watching the pigs defecating and urinating. He has been told that when Yale Guen Mar thought that no one was watching, he would finger-fuck the pigs in their assholes.

Yale Guen Mar's uncle was simply appalled. He wanted to put a stop to his nephews perverted ways.

That day the uncle beat Yale Guen Mar to pulp.

The beating made no difference. So the uncle finally fired Yale Guen Mar from his job at the Junction City Cafe and sent him back to Arizona.

Yale Guen Mar went on to finger-fuck many more pigs in their assholes.

But it was a big jolt for Yale Guen Mar last year when at the age of 75, he found his middle fingers so badly infected with STDs that his doctor in Merced has been advising him to have them amputated.

The STDs have begun to seep from Yale Guen Mar's middle fingers to his brain. And that explains Yale Guen Mar's maniacally obsessive and erratic behavior.

Yale Guen Mar should have his middle fingers immediately amputated. Or else, he should rush to his doctor in Cambodia to see if the middle fingers can be saved by alternate medical treatment.

Yale Guen Mar, you are not only a loser, but a rank ingrate as well.

Yale Guen Mar, you could have been like your cousin Homer Yale Mar who went on to retire as a colonel in the US Army.

You on th eother had got a dishonorable discharge as a private in the US Army. The only reason you didn't get demoted was because you were already at the lowest rung of the military as a private.

To put it in perspective, Yale Guen Mar is a persona non grata among his relatives.

No one in the Mar clan wanted Yale Guen Mar to attend the funerals of Yale Guen Mar's Uncle (his father's twin brother) Ben Shee Mar some 30 years ago. The pattern was repeated at the funeral of Yale Guen Mar's aunt Susan Suey Oy Wong about half-a-dozen years ago. No one in the Mar clan could stand the thought of Yale Guen Mar being at the funeral. So, cousin Yue Chung Mar very plainly told Yale Guen Mar that he was not welcome.

Yale Guen Ma was a bad son right from his birth !!

A bad mother is a rarity. A bad son a far more common occurrence. Yale Guen Mar of courseis never tired of demonizing his mother in an attempt to shift blame. But it is obvious that it is Yale Guen Mar who was always at fault.


Yale Guen Mar never supported his parents.. It was the parents who indulged Yale Guen Mar when they allowed him to retain his room in their house long after he was no longer a minor.

Yale Guen Mar lost his room only when his 3 siblings put an end to the indulgence. They got rid of everything that Yale Guen Mar had stored in t hat room, including his collection of his semen-stained photos of his favorite pigs.


No one in the family (including the 3 siblings) wants to remember Yale Guen Mar, and understandably so. Yale Guen Mar was specifically told by family members that he was not welcome at the funeral of his own parents, let alone at the funerals of cousin Yue Chung Mar's parents.

Yale Guen Mar is hated by everyone in the Mar clan.
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20 Most Innovative Universities In America For 2018, U.S. News & World Rankings, ASU, Stanford, MIT, Georgia State, Carnegie Mellon Tops
ASU?!!! Hmm... Yale Guen Mar, you say the darndest things !!

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/asu-1081

Arizona State University--Tempe is ranked #115 in National Universities. Schools are ranked according to their performance across a set of widely accepted indicators of excellence.

Yale Guen Mar, post a ranking of the type of colleges from which you bought your mail order diploma.

Where does your college rank in that listing?

Yale Guen Mar, you would not have gained admission even into Arizona State University, regardless of whether it was ranked 1120th or 120th or 1st. And you would have known what control engineering is and how to do a literature search in control engineering if you had earned a diploma in electrical engineering instead of buying one through mail order.

Yale Guen Mar, posts on university rankings will not retrieve your honor that got sullied for good when it got revealed you have no idea of what control engineering is or do literature search in a technical field.

Is it any wonder that youre a mere janitor at Dynalectron. And you couldn't hold on to even that job. The job responsibility was too much for your limited brain.

Is it any wonder that you have claimed your household to be Caucasian and used aliases like Resty Wyse and Rusty Wyseman?

Yale Guen Mar, you are fake to the core.

Yale Guen Mar, won't it be far more fruitful for you to analyze why you get fired from your menial jobs consistently and repeatedly?

Yale Guen Mar, you most certainly didn't get fired from all your menial jobs because you were a star performer.

* Junction City Cafe of Kansas fired you.
* Peacock Restauran of Arizona fired you
* Mesa Rice Bowl of Arizona fired you
* Double Happiness Restaurant of Arizona fired you.
* The US Army gave you a dishonorable discharge.
* Dynalectron's cafeteria in California fired you.
* Gene-Gee Restaurant of California fired you.

Yale Guen Mar, you always claimed that your bosses were cruel and driven by profit. You never admitted that you used to get fired because of your own failings.

Yale Guen Mar, you are a 79 year old baby. Your context-free, facts-free, "You are too" rejoinders are comical. You are under the impression that "your facts" can be anything other than facts.

You have been fired as a restaurant worker not only from Chinese restaurants (like Gene-Gee Restaurant and Double Happiness Restaurant) but even from non-Chinese restaurants (like Junction City Cafe).

You have to be irredeemably a moron to be fired repeatedly from restaurant jobs inspite of the fact that you are a fifth generation restaurant worker.

Yale Guen Mar, it was your fault that you got fired from your job at Junction City Cafe. You uncle Ben Shee Mar was generous enough to have been thinking of sending you to college at Kansas State University at Manhattan. Instead, he had to fire you, beat the crap out of you and ship you back to your step mother in Arizona.

It was your own fault that you got fired at Gene-Gee restaurant. George Gee detested you. No one believed you when you claimed that George Gee wanted you to be his son-in-law. George Gee fired you when you got caught stealing restaurant supplies.

When George Gee died, you tried to get back your job with the Gene-Gee restaurant by telling Gene that George had wanted you to marry his daughter. Gene knew you were lying. You didn't get back your job. Instead, you were told in no uncertain terms to never again step inside Gene-Gee restaurant.

You got fired from your job as a janitor at Dynalectron - you got caught indulging in unethical shady deals for petty pecuniary gains.

You have not had a steady employer even though you forged citizenship papers.

Yale Guen Mar, don't you ever get tired of lying to cover up your tracks?

You were always a stupid asshole.

You will remain a stupid asshole till you croak.
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Don't you remember your mother and father?
Good riddence. I didn't even go to my mother's funeral.
Other members of the family never even visit the gravesite.
Stop saying ill of others. Homer Yale Mar regularly visits the graves of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong regularly. He always tidies up their graves in Duncanville, TX, offers fruit, flowers and paper money to his ancestors.
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I hadn't seen or talked to my uncle or his family since I came into the U.S.
He died in 1985 of throat cancer. My family didn't even learn of his death
until 1990, 5 years later after his death.
His wife (my aunt) died in the mid-2000. I didn't know about her death
until a year later. The last time I saw her was in the early 1949 in rural China.
Yale Guen Mar, you are making a virtue of necessity. You were told very specifically by the Mars that you are not welcome to Kim Hi Wong's funeral. That is why you had to keep away from her funeral. The story got repeated at Toy Chee Mar's funeral as well.
In fact you were barred from attending the funerals of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong as well. Homer Yale Mar very specifically told you that you were not welcome.
Don't you
remember your father and mother-in-laws?
No. the minute I stopped seeing them, that is the last thought I have for them.
Not quite. You still dream about your room at your parents' house on 914 10th Street in Phoenix. Your parents were most generous. They let you have the room long after you turned 21. You still resent that your brothers Eugene Yale Mar and Donald Yale Mar finally put an end to your mooching. You resent that they cleared the room of your gun collection, photos of your favorite pigs and your short wave radio. You came back to find that they were all gone.
I still remember the good times that I have with my mother in Las
Vegas. I still remember the love that my mother had shown me when I'm
sick, my wife, and children. In fact, we still visit my mother's grave
and bring flowers. Don't you remember your mother and father?
No, no one in my family want to remember them.
Out of sight, out of mind.
Yale Guen Mar, you have been trying to convince one and all that your obnoxious behavior is because of the way your parents brought you up.
Wrong, very wrong. Bad parents are rare. Bad sons are dime a dozen. You are a bad son and an ingrate to boot.
You don't even care for your siblings. You have openly expressed your hostility toward Donald and Eugene just because they got rid of your pig photos, your gun collection and your short wave radio. Don't forget, Donald and Eugene are the achievers that you are not.
What did your mother do to you when you were 11 or 12 years old?
NOT when I was 11, more like from the time I was born to age 11.
Yale Guen Mar, I fault Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong, not for beating you, but for not beating you enough. They should have beat the crap out of you every time you misbehaved, lied and cheated.
I bet
you must really hate her.
I didn't hate her. She had controlled of me when I was in China.
In the U.S. she didn't have controlled. I thrived in the U.S. while I was a failure in China because of her.
To put it in perspective, Yale Guen Mar is a persona non grata among his relatives.
No one in the Mar clan wanted Yale Guen Mar to attend the funerals of Yale Guen Mar's Uncle (his father's twin brother) some 30 years ago. The pattern was repeated at the funeral of Yale Guen Mar's aunt about half-a-dozen years ago. No one in the Mar clan could stand the thought of Yale Guen Mar being at the funeral. So, cousin Yue Chung Mar very plainly told Yale Guen Mar that he was not welcome.
Yale Guen Ma was a bad son right from his birth !!
A bad mother is a rarity. A bad son a far more common occurrence. Yale Guen Mar of courseis never tired of demonizing his mother in an attempt to shift blame. But it is obvious that it is Yale Guen Mar who was always at fault.
Your heart is filled with vengeance toward
your parents. What did they do to you when you were that young?
I didn't hate them. I supported them when the cafe failed.
Yale Guen Mar never supported his parents.. It was the parents who indulged Yale Guen Mar when they allowed him to retain his room in their house long after he was no longer a minor.
Yale Guen Mar lost his room only when his 3 siblings put an end to the indulgence. They got rid of everything that Yale Guen Mar had stored in t hat room, including his collection of his semen-stained photos of his favorite pigs.
No one in the family (including the 3 siblings) wants to remember Yale Guen Mar, and understandably so. Yale Guen Mar was specifically told by family members that he was not welcome at the funeral of his own parents, let alone at the funerals of cousin Yue Chung Mar's parents.
Yale Guen Mar is hated by everyone in the Mar clan.
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I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
"home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
"home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
my things from "home" to California.
Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
or given away without telling me.
My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
$2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
enough to care.
Yale Guen Mar, can't you ever get over the loss of your gun collection, photos of your favorite pigs and your short-wave radio? Donald and Eugene were only trying to protect you from yourself.
Yale Guen Mar, you are being grossly unfair to your brothers Eugene Yale Mar and Donald Yale Mar. They were achievers. The only reason they got rid of your gun collection, short-wave radio and the photos of your favorite pigs was to save you from yourself.
Quit holding grudges against Donald and Eugene, Get their help to cope with your problems.
Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
Nephew Yale Guen Mar was not welcome at the funerals by the Mar clan, and for understandable reasons.
But then Yale Guen Mar wasn't welcome at the funerals of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong either. No one wanted him at the funerals.
At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar and his siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
In stark contrast, Yale Guen Mar spends time sulking about times when he got thrashed by his father Tony Chee Mar and mother Kim Hi Wong for misbehavior.
Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
Yale Guen Mar was not allowed at the funeral because no one wanted him there.
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All my relatives/ancestry before my generation were losers.
So don't ever talk about them to me. I have nothing but
contempt for them. And it includes all the cousins I have.
Yale Guen Mar, you used to lie to your parents, uncle and aunt. And now you lie on the newsgroup. Yale Guen Mar, you are all sleaze with not an iota of any redeeming feature.
Yale Guen Mar was a bad son from day one. He was not welcome at the funerals of his uncle and aunt abd even at the funerals of his own parents.
To put Yale Guen Mar's villainy in perspective, no one in the Mar clan wanted Yale Guen Mar to attend the funerals of Yale Guen Mar's Uncle (his father's twin brother) some 30 years ago. The pattern was repeated at the funeral of Yale Guen Mar's aunt about half-a-dozen years ago. No one in the Mar clan could stand the thought of Yale Guen Mar being at the funeral. So, cousin Yue Chung Mar very plainly told Yale Guen Mar that he was not welcome.
Yale Guen Ma was a bad son right from his birth !!
A bad mother is a rarity. A bad son a far more common occurrence. Yale Guen Mar is of course trying to shift the blame on his mother. But it is obvious that it is Yale Guen Mar who was always at fault.
Yale Guen Mar never supported his parents financially or otherwise.. It was the parents who indulged Yale Guen Mar when they allowed him to retain his room in their house long after he was no longer a minor.
Yale Guen Mar lost his room only when his 3 siblings put an end to the indulgence. They got rid of everything that Yale Guen Mar had stored in t hat room, including his collection of his semen-stained photos of his favorite pigs.
No one in the Mar family (including the 3 siblings) wants to remember Yale Guen Mar, and understandably so. Yale Guen Mar was specifically told by family members that he was not welcome at the funeral of his own parents, let alone at the funerals of cousin Yue Chung Mar's parents.
Yale Guen Mar is hated by everyone in the Mar clan and rightly so.
Yale Guen Mar's uncle (father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. He had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when the uncle found out what the lad had been up to. Yale Guen Mar was beaten to pulp, fired from the job and sent back to Arizona.
No wonder that Yale Guen Mar has a dishonorable discharge from the US Army as a private while his illustrous cousin retired as a colonel in the US Army.
Yale Guen Mar's cousin Homer Yale Mar still remembers Yale Guen Mar's shenanigans that summer in Kansas.
Yale Guen Mar was a janitor at the Junction City Cafe that summer but he would often play hooky to visit a local pig sty to indulge himself.
Yale Guen Mar's uncle (father's twin brother) Ben Shee Mar and aunt Cynthia were exasperated not to find Yale Guen Mar when needed. One day Ben Shee Mar found Yale Guen Mar at the pig sty. The piggery's manager told Yale Guen Mar's uncle that the boy had been spending hours at the pig sty intently watching the pigs defecating and urinating. He has been told that when Yale Guen Mar thought that no one was watching, he would finger-fuck the pigs in their assholes.
Yale Guen Mar's uncle was simply appalled. He wanted to put a stop to his nephews perverted ways.
That day the uncle beat Yale Guen Mar to pulp.
The beating made no difference. So the uncle finally fired Yale Guen Mar from his job at the Junction City Cafe and sent him back to Arizona.
Yale Guen Mar went on to finger-fuck many more pigs in their assholes.
But it was a big jolt for Yale Guen Mar last year when at the age of 75, he found his middle fingers so badly infected with STDs that his doctor in Merced has been advising him to have them amputated.
The STDs have begun to seep from Yale Guen Mar's middle fingers to his brain. And that explains Yale Guen Mar's maniacally obsessive and erratic behavior.
Yale Guen Mar should have his middle fingers immediately amputated. Or else, he should rush to his doctor in Cambodia to see if the middle fingers can be saved by alternate medical treatment.
Yale Guen Mar, you are not only a loser, but a rank ingrate as well.
Yale Guen Mar, you could have been like your cousin Homer Yale Mar who went on to retire as a colonel in the US Army.
You on th eother had got a dishonorable discharge as a private in the US Army. The only reason you didn't get demoted was because you were already at the lowest rung of the military as a private.
To put it in perspective, Yale Guen Mar is a persona non grata among his relatives.
No one in the Mar clan wanted Yale Guen Mar to attend the funerals of Yale Guen Mar's Uncle (his father's twin brother) Ben Shee Mar some 30 years ago. The pattern was repeated at the funeral of Yale Guen Mar's aunt Susan Suey Oy Wong about half-a-dozen years ago. No one in the Mar clan could stand the thought of Yale Guen Mar being at the funeral. So, cousin Yue Chung Mar very plainly told Yale Guen Mar that he was not welcome.
Yale Guen Ma was a bad son right from his birth !!
A bad mother is a rarity. A bad son a far more common occurrence. Yale Guen Mar of courseis never tired of demonizing his mother in an attempt to shift blame. But it is obvious that it is Yale Guen Mar who was always at fault.
Yale Guen Mar never supported his parents.. It was the parents who indulged Yale Guen Mar when they allowed him to retain his room in their house long after he was no longer a minor.
Yale Guen Mar lost his room only when his 3 siblings put an end to the indulgence. They got rid of everything that Yale Guen Mar had stored in t hat room, including his collection of his semen-stained photos of his favorite pigs.
No one in the family (including the 3 siblings) wants to remember Yale Guen Mar, and understandably so. Yale Guen Mar was specifically told by family members that he was not welcome at the funeral of his own parents, let alone at the funerals of cousin Yue Chung Mar's parents.
Yale Guen Mar is hated by everyone in the Mar clan.
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