Discussion:
Lindsey Graham was goading Trump to start a "preventive war" against North Korea and now his buddy John McCain has followed up with the taunt that "great leaders [he has] seen" are always "ready to act" once they've made a threat of violence!
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lo yeeOn
2017-08-09 03:09:39 UTC
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"The great leaders that I have seen, they don't threaten unless they
are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to
act," said Senator McCain.

I'll say that President Trump must not take McCain's bait. If he
doesn't start a "preventive war" against North Korea as Graham and
McCain are urging him to, then any impeachment attempt against him
will fail. Otherwise, it'll spell the doom of Trump's presidency.

(My take of the "Russian collusion" investigation is that it may lead
to some peripheral indictments but it'll never rise to some kind of
"high crimes and misdemeanors" necessarily to convict him.)

lo yeeOn

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40871416

North Korea says it is considering missile strikes near the US Pacific
territory of Guam, just hours after President Donald Trump threatened
Pyongyang with "fire and fury".

The North's official news agency said it was mulling a plan to fire
medium-to-long-range rockets around Guam, where US strategic bombers
are based.

The statement marks a sharp rise in rhetoric between the two
countries.

The UN recently approved further economic sanctions against the
country.

President Trump's comments followed a media report that claimed the
North had made a nuclear warhead small enough to fit inside its
missiles.

The Washington Post report, which cited US intelligence officials,
suggests North Korea is developing nuclear weapons capable of hitting
the US at a much faster rate than expected.

Will North Korea nuclear threat focus minds?
Can the US defend itself against North Korea?
N Korea: The possible solutions

The North's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said its
military was "carefully examining the operational plan for making an
enveloping fire at the areas around Guam with medium-to-long-range
strategic ballistic rocket Hwasong-12".

It said the plan would be reported to the Supreme Command after "full
examination and completion" and put into practice at the order of
leader Kim Jong-un, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.

The heated rhetoric between the US and North Korea intensified after
Pyongyang tested two intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) in
July, claiming it now had the ability to hit the US.

Mr Trump told reporters on Tuesday: "North Korea best not make any
more threats to the US. They will be met with fire and fury like the
world has never seen."

Veteran US Senator John McCain was sceptical about Mr Trump's
statement.

"The great leaders that I have seen, they don't threaten unless they
are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to
act," said Senator McCain.
Resty Wyse
2017-08-09 15:32:54 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
"The great leaders that I have seen, they don't threaten unless they
are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to
act," said Senator McCain.
FRor once, I agree with John McCain.
Post by lo yeeOn
I'll say that President Trump must not take McCain's bait. If he
doesn't start a "preventive war" against North Korea,,,
North Korea is building up to prevent an American attack against them, not the other way around. Without America's "regime change" policy, America bombing, killing dstroying... all over the world, North Korea has no need for weapons.
Post by lo yeeOn
... as Graham and
McCain are urging him to, then any impeachment attempt against him
will fail.
I wouldn't bet on it. Donald Trump is doing a great job of discrediting himself. 60% of Americans don't trust him, according to the latest poll.
Post by lo yeeOn
Otherwise, it'll spell the doom of Trump's presidency.
It already is.
Post by lo yeeOn
(My take of the "Russian collusion" investigation is that it may lead
to some peripheral indictments but it'll never rise to some kind of
"high crimes and misdemeanors" necessarily to convict him.)
From the news that he dictated the response his son issued after the news came out that his son and others met a Russian attorney and others at Trump Tower, I would think he is controlling the whole thing. He's up to his neck with this Russia interference incident.
Post by lo yeeOn
lo yeeOn
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40871416
North Korea says it is considering missile strikes near the US Pacific
territory of Guam, just hours after President Donald Trump threatened
Pyongyang with "fire and fury".
The North's official news agency said it was mulling a plan to fire
medium-to-long-range rockets around Guam, where US strategic bombers
are based.
The statement marks a sharp rise in rhetoric between the two
countries.
The UN recently approved further economic sanctions against the
country.
President Trump's comments followed a media report that claimed the
North had made a nuclear warhead small enough to fit inside its
missiles.
The Washington Post report, which cited US intelligence officials,
suggests North Korea is developing nuclear weapons capable of hitting
the US at a much faster rate than expected.
Will North Korea nuclear threat focus minds?
Can the US defend itself against North Korea?
N Korea: The possible solutions
The North's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said its
military was "carefully examining the operational plan for making an
enveloping fire at the areas around Guam with medium-to-long-range
strategic ballistic rocket Hwasong-12".
It said the plan would be reported to the Supreme Command after "full
examination and completion" and put into practice at the order of
leader Kim Jong-un, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.
The heated rhetoric between the US and North Korea intensified after
Pyongyang tested two intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) in
July, claiming it now had the ability to hit the US.
Mr Trump told reporters on Tuesday: "North Korea best not make any
more threats to the US. They will be met with fire and fury like the
world has never seen."
Veteran US Senator John McCain was sceptical about Mr Trump's
statement.
"The great leaders that I have seen, they don't threaten unless they
are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to
act," said Senator McCain.
lo yeeOn
2017-08-10 00:35:31 UTC
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Post by Resty Wyse
Post by lo yeeOn
"The great leaders that I have seen, they don't threaten unless they
are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to
act," said Senator McCain.
FRor once, I agree with John McCain.
Look, my friend, you can't serve God and Mamon at the same time. (And
by the way, you can be an atheist and still understanding what this
means.)

First, by saying you agree with John McCain in his latest taunt in
order to start a war that no one knows how to finish, you're guilty of
aiding and abetting a war criminal.

Second, the statement McCain made isn't even true.

You have to ask what "great leaders" has McCain "seen". Nuclear
deterrence is a good example of what he pretended not to understand.

Nukes are threats that are never meant to be put to use. In other
words, the deterrence principle is to threaten without recoursing to
actions. From F.D. Roosevelt to Josef Stalin to Mao Zedong to Xe
Jinping to Vladimir Putin, they all stick tightly to their nuclear
deterrent self-defense.

Have they yet followed their deterrent's existential threat against
the whole world with actions?

No, they haven't!

Truman using nukes on innocent defenseless Japanese citizens is not
exemplery of great leadership.

He used it to hurt innocent defenseless people. What kind of a leader
was he, not to mention a "great leader"? He was a small man who sent
10s of thousands of the young men under his command to senseless deaths
for about a year after the Japanese signalled their desire to surrender.

So, once again, McCain didn't know or pretended not to know what he
was talking about and he showed that he didn't have a brain.

And my dear friend, what you need to do now is to repent and say, "I
necessarily disagree with John McCain just as I have always done."

And President Trump doesn't want to be another Truman!

Ok, cheers,

lo yeeOn
Post by Resty Wyse
Post by lo yeeOn
I'll say that President Trump must not take McCain's bait. If he
doesn't start a "preventive war" against North Korea,,,
North Korea is building up to prevent an American attack against them,
not the other way around. Without America's "regime change" policy,
America bombing, killing dstroying... all over the world, North Korea
has no need for weapons.
Post by lo yeeOn
... as Graham and
McCain are urging him to, then any impeachment attempt against him
will fail.
I wouldn't bet on it. Donald Trump is doing a great job of discrediting
himself. 60% of Americans don't trust him, according to the latest
poll.
Post by lo yeeOn
Otherwise, it'll spell the doom of Trump's presidency.
It already is.
Post by lo yeeOn
(My take of the "Russian collusion" investigation is that it may lead
to some peripheral indictments but it'll never rise to some kind of
"high crimes and misdemeanors" necessarily to convict him.)
From the news that he dictated the response his son issued after the
news came out that his son and others met a Russian attorney and others
at Trump Tower, I would think he is controlling the whole thing. He's
up to his neck with this Russia interference incident.
Post by lo yeeOn
lo yeeOn
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40871416
North Korea says it is considering missile strikes near the US Pacific
territory of Guam, just hours after President Donald Trump threatened
Pyongyang with "fire and fury".
The North's official news agency said it was mulling a plan to fire
medium-to-long-range rockets around Guam, where US strategic bombers
are based.
The statement marks a sharp rise in rhetoric between the two
countries.
The UN recently approved further economic sanctions against the
country.
President Trump's comments followed a media report that claimed the
North had made a nuclear warhead small enough to fit inside its
missiles.
The Washington Post report, which cited US intelligence officials,
suggests North Korea is developing nuclear weapons capable of hitting
the US at a much faster rate than expected.
Will North Korea nuclear threat focus minds?
Can the US defend itself against North Korea?
N Korea: The possible solutions
The North's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said its
military was "carefully examining the operational plan for making an
enveloping fire at the areas around Guam with medium-to-long-range
strategic ballistic rocket Hwasong-12".
It said the plan would be reported to the Supreme Command after "full
examination and completion" and put into practice at the order of
leader Kim Jong-un, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.
The heated rhetoric between the US and North Korea intensified after
Pyongyang tested two intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) in
July, claiming it now had the ability to hit the US.
Mr Trump told reporters on Tuesday: "North Korea best not make any
more threats to the US. They will be met with fire and fury like the
world has never seen."
Veteran US Senator John McCain was sceptical about Mr Trump's
statement.
"The great leaders that I have seen, they don't threaten unless they
are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to
act," said Senator McCain.
Resty Wyse
2017-08-10 01:29:07 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
Look, my friend, you can't serve God and Mamon at the same time. (And
by the way, you can be an atheist and still understanding what this
means.)
I'm a non-believer. I am my own man.
Post by lo yeeOn
First, by saying you agree with John McCain in his latest taunt in
order to start a war that no one knows how to finish,
Oh!!! We know very well how it will end. It will end with hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions deaths, destructions of housing, building structures,... Destruction of a nation... We have seen it in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Syria,...
Post by lo yeeOn
you're guilty of
aiding and abetting a war criminal.
My intention is to make sure we understand we are destroying ourselves.
We have better things to do, much to learn about the universe,...
And there are more than enough work to do for all of us. We have to find new ways to travel in space, ways to make another planet habitable to human beings....
Post by lo yeeOn
Second, the statement McCain made isn't even true.
You know what Kim Jong Un said will not be true. What Donald Trump said will not be true,... They have better senses than to destroy ourselves.
Post by lo yeeOn
You have to ask what "great leaders" has McCain "seen". Nuclear
deterrence is a good example of what he pretended not to understand.
Oh!!! We all understand. None of us wants to die.
Post by lo yeeOn
Nukes are threats that are never meant to be put to use. In other
words, the deterrence principle is to threaten without recoursing to
actions. From F.D. Roosevelt to Josef Stalin to Mao Zedong to Xe
Jinping to Vladimir Putin, they all stick tightly to their nuclear
deterrent self-defense.
Have they yet followed their deterrent's existential threat against
the whole world with actions?
No, they haven't!
Truman using nukes on innocent defenseless Japanese citizens is not
exemplery of great leadership.
He used it to hurt innocent defenseless people. What kind of a leader
was he, not to mention a "great leader"? He was a small man who sent
10s of thousands of the young men under his command to senseless deaths
for about a year after the Japanese signalled their desire to surrender.
So, once again, McCain didn't know or pretended not to know what he
was talking about and he showed that he didn't have a brain.
And my dear friend, what you need to do now is to repent and say, "I
necessarily disagree with John McCain just as I have always done."
And President Trump doesn't want to be another Truman!
Ok, cheers,
lo yeeOn
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