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Can a War of Words Become a World of War? | By Bill Moyers, Andrew Bacevich
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ltlee1
2017-09-28 16:40:45 UTC
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Great interview. But I think many have underestimated N Korea's desire for war. Its leaders have seen Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gadhafi in Libya. They have also seen how US defeated in Vietnam and USSR defeated in Afghanistan.

North Korea has been sharpening its sword for 60+ years. Many in the country would like to try it by involving the US in a guerilla war. They would not use nuclear weapon and they would not antagonize South Korea.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/09/27/can-war-words-become-world-war
Resty Wyse
2017-09-28 19:45:00 UTC
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Post by ltlee1
Great interview. But I think many have underestimated N Korea's desire for war. Its leaders have seen Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gadhafi in Libya. They have also seen how US defeated in Vietnam and USSR defeated in Afghanistan.
North Korea has been sharpening its sword for 60+ years. Many in the country would like to try it by involving the US in a guerilla war. They would not use nuclear weapon and they would not antagonize South Korea.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/09/27/can-war-words-become-world-war
"...underestimated N Korea's desire for war."???

No one, no nation wants war. War means deaths and destruction!!!!
s***@gmail.com
2017-09-29 05:04:01 UTC
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Post by Resty Wyse
No one, no nation wants war. War means deaths and destruction!!!!
Yale Guen Mar, normal people don't look forward to farting in public places.

But you have made it a profession to fart indiscriminately inside local grocery stores.

Yale Guen Mar, you are not toilet trained even though even little Luca is. You are not fit to be in public places like Yue Cheng Market, Rancho San Miguel Supermarket and Merced Community Food Market because of your incessant farting and your leaky diapers.

Ms. Lee of Merced Community Food Market was so enraged by your crass and dirty behavior inside the market that she assaulted you with opo squash.

Mr. Miao of Yue Cheng Market, likewise, is very unhappy with your crass and indecent behavior inside the Yue Cheng Market. If you don't stay off the Yue Cheng Market, Mr. Miao will sodomize you with a bitter melon or a Chinese okra that will cause a lot more damage to your scarred asshole than the opo squash had. The bitter melon, for one, will certainly leave a bitter taste in your blasted asshole.

And at Rancho San Miguel Supermarket, you risk getting sodomized with a tamale or an enchilada (laced with the hottest of habaneros and jalapenos) if you walk in with your leaky diaper or fart incessantly while inside.
ltlee1
2017-09-28 21:24:49 UTC
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Post by ltlee1
Great interview. But I think many have underestimated N Korea's desire for war. Its leaders have seen Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gadhafi in Libya. They have also seen how US defeated in Vietnam and USSR defeated in Afghanistan.
North Korea has been sharpening its sword for 60+ years. Many in the country would like to try it by involving the US in a guerilla war. They would not use nuclear weapon and they would not antagonize South Korea.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/09/27/can-war-words-become-world-war
As is, Liberal Democracy Internationalism/Utopianism is not working out inside and outside of the US. Hence Trump is the president and N Korea is challenging the US with nuclear bomb threats.

In addition, Muammar Gaddafi had given up nuclear bomb and the US then promptly overthrew his government and put Libya in chaos. From Kim as well as N Korea hawks' point of view, negotiation with the US would end up meaningless because the US may not honor its promise. They therefore have no choice but to gamble their nation. A world order changing development.
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2017-09-29 01:08:28 UTC
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Ltlee, don't slip in "Liberal Democracy International/Utopianism" to complicate matters. They may be your favorite topics, but they are not the issues here.

Wakalukong
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2017-09-29 01:03:28 UTC
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Many, including ltlee, have overestimated North Kirea's desire for war. The interview in the link slipped in by ltlee apparently to support his claim does not seem to support his claim.

Wakalukong
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2017-09-29 01:05:54 UTC
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Ltlee, North Korea has been sharping its sword for 60+ years? Who hasn't? What do you think the US has been doing in the last 60+ years? Weaving cloth like Gandhi?

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ltlee1
2017-10-09 12:42:39 UTC
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Great interview. But I think many have underestimated N Korea's desire for war. Its leaders have seen Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gadhafi in Libya. They have also seen how US defeated in Vietnam and USSR defeated in Afghanistan.
North Korea has been sharpening its sword for 60+ years. Many in the country would like to try it by involving the US in a guerilla war. They would not use nuclear weapon and they would not antagonize South Korea.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/09/27/can-war-words-become-world-war
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/north-korean-survival-cult-by-ian-buruma-2017-10

"The North Korean Cult
Oct 9, 2017 Ian Buruma

It is possible that North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un, and perhaps even some subjects of his despotic rule, would rather be obliterated than give in. It would not be the first time that a quasi-religious movement turned suicidal."

I had watched a video clip in which Western physicians were shown to provide free eye surgeries (cataract removal) for N Korean. Yet the patients thanked Kim the second tearfully. Of course, they could be acting in front of the camera. If not, the cult description may not be too far off.

Are these N Koreans suicidal? This question is more difficult to answer. North Korea has been sharpening its sword for 60+ years with one target on its people's mind. That is, defeating the US through asymmetric warfare. Outwardly, they are not unlike Christian cult member who are willing to bet their lives on their savior's second coming and the promise of heaven.

To be sure, the US could kill Kim III and a large percentage of his supporting elites. But is it suicidal or a matter of strategy?
choden
2017-10-09 16:21:39 UTC
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War of words will not end in war.

The words can be just rhetoric of white noise.

However, if should the US or South Korea is attacked, a swift devastating
response will happen.

A mistake by the North Korea will get a response instead.




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Great interview. But I think many have underestimated N Korea's desire for
war. Its leaders have seen Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gadhafi in
Libya. They have also seen how US defeated in Vietnam and USSR defeated in
Afghanistan.

North Korea has been sharpening its sword for 60+ years. Many in the country
would like to try it by involving the US in a guerilla war. They would not
use nuclear weapon and they would not antagonize South Korea.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/09/27/can-war-words-become-world-war

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Resty Wyse
2017-10-09 16:33:02 UTC
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Post by choden
War of words will not end in war.
The words can be just rhetoric of white noise.
However, if should the US or South Korea is attacked, a swift devastating
response will happen.
A mistake by the North Korea will get a response instead.
North Korea has nukes and ICBMs. North Korea can defend itself.
s***@gmail.com
2017-10-09 16:41:24 UTC
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Post by Resty Wyse
North Korea has nukes and ICBMs. North Korea can defend itself.
And Yale Guen Mar has an asshole that is vulnerable to attacks by party workers.

If Yale Guen Mar relocates to his birth village in PRC and makes post deviate from the party line, party workers will be at his door step in no time with orders to widen his hemorrhoid-scarred asshole.

To set the record straight, Yale Guen Mar is still alive in Merced, CA but he has just lived through a near-death experience after an enraged Ms. Lee of the Merced Community Food Market shoved an opo squash up Yale Guen Mar's asshole.

While Yale Guen Mar's successful surgery to extricate the opo squash from his asshole is a testimony to advances in medical science, it has cast a doom on Yale Guen Mar's Hmong neighbors who have been praying for a long time for the permanent departure of Yale Guen Mar from the area.

In fact, Yale Guen Mar's Hmong neighbors will gladly finance Yale Guen Mar's trip to Cambodia for alternate medical treatment if Yale Guen Mar is willing to pledge that he won't ever come back to Merced.

Meichi Thai has kept the Hmong neighbors apprised of Yale Guen Mar's travails following the surgery to extricate the opo squash that had got lodged inside Yale Guen Mar's asshole when an enraged Ms. Lee of the Merced Community Food Market assaulted Yale Guen Mar for farting inside the grocery store.

But it looks like Yale Guen Mar's sphincter muscle is now beyond redemption. Yale Guen Mar wants a sphincter muscle transplant to regain control over his asshole. Doctors are looking for possible donors in Merced's piggeries.

In the meantime, as a temporary fix, the doctors have suggested use of corks in Yale Guen Mar's asshole to stem continuous outflow of stool. Resty's caregiver, Meichi Thai, has been inserting corks into Yale Guen Mar's asshole to stem the flow.

Meichi Thai, apprising the Hmong neighbors on Twlight Avenue, lamented that it was indeed a very messy situation inside 3851 Twilight Avenue in Merced, CA. She dreads every time she has to uncork Yale Guen Mar's asshole to release the shit inside him.

Yale Guen Mar, you have far more immediate and far more graver issues to attend to to be wasting your time thinking ill of others.

The latest calamity to befall you is your loss of use of your sphincter muscle following the assault on you by Ms. Lee with an opo squash inside the Merced Community Food Market.

Yes, doctors may try to transplant a sphincter muscle of a pig on to your asshole to give you a modicum of control over your ability to shit normally. But you'll be better off accepting the generous offer of your Hmong neighbors. They want you you to travel ASAP to your physician, Dr. Dong, in Cambodia for alternate medical treatment of your ailment. Your Hmong neighbors have voted to finance your trip to Cambodia provided you agree never to come back to Merced or even to USA.

So, Yale Guen Mar, take advantage of the generous offer by your Hmong neighbors and move to Cambodia for good. That would also take care of your other problem - the court ordered restraining order on you never to be within 200 yards of Yue Chen Market of the Miaos.
ltlee1
2017-10-09 18:53:52 UTC
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Post by choden
War of words will not end in war.
The words can be just rhetoric of white noise.
However, if should the US or South Korea is attacked, a swift devastating
response will happen.
A mistake by the North Korea will get a response instead.
If Kim's dynasty is indeed similar to religious cult with suicidal members, per Ian Burma, one reasonable expectation is suicidal bombers. In this sense, words could lead to serious outcomes.
Post by choden
Great interview. But I think many have underestimated N Korea's desire for
war. Its leaders have seen Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gadhafi in
Libya. They have also seen how US defeated in Vietnam and USSR defeated in
Afghanistan.
North Korea has been sharpening its sword for 60+ years. Many in the country
would like to try it by involving the US in a guerilla war. They would not
use nuclear weapon and they would not antagonize South Korea.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/09/27/can-war-words-become-world-war
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