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Democrats fear race may be slipping away from Harris
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ltlee1
2024-10-23 15:19:36 UTC
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"There is growing fear in Democratic circles that the presidential race
could be slipping further away from Vice President Harris.

To be sure, Democrats still think Harris can defeat former President
Trump. The margins are so close in the seven battleground states likely
to decide the contest, a shift toward either candidate or a mistake in
the polling could be decisive.

At the same time, Democrats are privately expressing worry that
battleground polling appears to be moving in Trump’s direction over the
last two weeks.

Cracks in the “blue wall” of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are
starting to show, with Senate incumbents in both Pennsylvania and
Wisconsin now in toss-up races, according to the Cook Political Report.

The three northern states generally move in the same direction in the
presidential race, but Harris has been losing ground to Trump in polls,
particularly in Wisconsin. In Michigan, doubts among Arab American
voters are worrying Democrats.

None of this is making Democrats feel better about an Election Day that
is now less than two weeks away.

“Everyone keeps saying, ‘It’s close.’ Yes, it’s close, but are things
trending our way? No. And no one wants to openly admit that,” one
Democratic strategist said. “Could we still win? Maybe. Should anyone be
even slightly optimistic right now? No.”

Another strategist was even more dour when asked about the current state
of play: “If this is a vibe election, the current vibes ain’t great.”

Harris could have another path to victory that would involve winning
Pennsylvania, losing another blue wall state but winning North Carolina
and Nevada. But neither of those states are firmly in her camp, nor are
two other swing states, Arizona and Georgia.

Jon Ralston, a veteran political journalist in Nevada, also reported a
rare statewide lead among Republicans who have voted early in the state.

“It’s too soon to call it a trend, but this was a huge day for
Republicans in Nevada,” Ralston wrote in his popular blog at The Nevada
Independent. He later noted that overnight, Democrats had cut into the
Republican advantage, but the GOP maintained a 2 percentage point lead
as of Tuesday."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4947840-democratic-fear-trump-battleground-polls/
bmoore
2024-10-24 00:33:12 UTC
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Post by ltlee1
"There is growing fear in Democratic circles that the presidential race
could be slipping further away from Vice President Harris.
To be sure, Democrats still think Harris can defeat former President
Trump. The margins are so close in the seven battleground states likely
to decide the contest, a shift toward either candidate or a mistake in
the polling could be decisive.
At the same time, Democrats are privately expressing worry that
battleground polling appears to be moving in Trump’s direction over the
last two weeks.
Cracks in the “blue wall” of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are
starting to show, with Senate incumbents in both Pennsylvania and
Wisconsin now in toss-up races, according to the Cook Political Report.
The three northern states generally move in the same direction in the
presidential race, but Harris has been losing ground to Trump in polls,
particularly in Wisconsin. In Michigan, doubts among Arab American
voters are worrying Democrats.
None of this is making Democrats feel better about an Election Day that
is now less than two weeks away.
“Everyone keeps saying, ‘It’s close.’ Yes, it’s close, but are things
trending our way? No. And no one wants to openly admit that,” one
Democratic strategist said. “Could we still win? Maybe. Should anyone be
even slightly optimistic right now? No.”
Another strategist was even more dour when asked about the current state
of play: “If this is a vibe election, the current vibes ain’t great.”
Harris could have another path to victory that would involve winning
Pennsylvania, losing another blue wall state but winning North Carolina
and Nevada. But neither of those states are firmly in her camp, nor are
two other swing states, Arizona and Georgia.
Jon Ralston, a veteran political journalist in Nevada, also reported a
rare statewide lead among Republicans who have voted early in the state.
“It’s too soon to call it a trend, but this was a huge day for
Republicans in Nevada,” Ralston wrote in his popular blog at The Nevada
Independent. He later noted that overnight, Democrats had cut into the
Republican advantage, but the GOP maintained a 2 percentage point lead
as of Tuesday."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4947840-democratic-fear-trump-battleground-polls/
No sane person can be pro-Trump.

Unless you are an enemy of this fine country.
ltlee1
2024-10-24 14:36:12 UTC
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Post by bmoore
No sane person can be pro-Trump.
Unless you are an enemy of this fine country.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Given your response to the view that Trump may be winning, one has to
wonder whether

1) you are ignorant of the 2020 election during which 74+ million had
voted for Trump, or
2) you think all those voters are insane or enemies of America.
bmoore
2024-10-24 21:53:38 UTC
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Post by bmoore
No sane person can be pro-Trump.
Unless you are an enemy of this fine country.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Given your response to the view that Trump may be winning, one has to
wonder whether
1) you are ignorant of the 2020 election during which 74+ million had
voted for Trump, or
2) you think all those voters are insane or enemies of America.
Too literal a response.

Let's just say that a lot of people are fooled by this con man.
ltlee1
2024-10-25 13:35:50 UTC
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Post by ltlee1
Post by bmoore
No sane person can be pro-Trump.
Unless you are an enemy of this fine country.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Given your response to the view that Trump may be winning, one has to
wonder whether
1) you are ignorant of the 2020 election during which 74+ million had
voted for Trump, or
Post by ltlee1
2) you think all those voters are insane or enemies of America.
Too literal a response.
Let's just say that a lot of people are fooled by this con man.
You at first considered them somewhat traitorous. Now you say they are
somewhat foolish. Please try again. Give them some credit.

However, to the extent that you or anyone can consider them collectively
equal to the pro-Harris side, the natural question is "WHY do they
prefer Trump."
bmoore
2024-10-25 19:37:29 UTC
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Post by ltlee1
Post by ltlee1
Post by bmoore
No sane person can be pro-Trump.
Unless you are an enemy of this fine country.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Given your response to the view that Trump may be winning, one has to
wonder whether
1) you are ignorant of the 2020 election during which 74+ million had
voted for Trump, or
Post by ltlee1
2) you think all those voters are insane or enemies of America.
Too literal a response.
Let's just say that a lot of people are fooled by this con man.
You at first considered them somewhat traitorous. Now you say they are
somewhat foolish. Please try again. Give them some credit.
Why?
Post by ltlee1
However, to the extent that you or anyone can consider them collectively
equal to the pro-Harris side,
Not equal.


the natural question is "WHY do they
Post by ltlee1
prefer Trump."
Because they have bought into a con man's con.
ltlee1
2024-10-26 13:56:21 UTC
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Post by bmoore
Post by ltlee1
You at first considered them somewhat traitorous. Now you say they are
somewhat foolish. Please try again. Give them some credit.
Why?
Post by ltlee1
However, to the extent that you or anyone can consider them collectively
equal to the pro-Harris side,
Not equal.
Post by bmoore
Post by ltlee1
the natural question is "WHY do they
prefer Trump."
Because they have bought into a con man's con.
Another side of the "con" is whether Harris is viewed as an agent of
change from the side of the Democrat.

The following article explains why "Long- and Short-Term Economic Trends
Spell Trouble for Harris."

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/long-and-short-term-economic-trends-spell-trouble-for-harris/

"With about two weeks to go until Election Day, the prevailing feeling
among Democratic strategists seems to be one of growing concern—and for
good reason. The Democratic nominee, who has raised an unprecedented sum
of $1 billion in three months’ time, has not been able to capitalize on
the fact that she is facing an extremely polarizing opponent whom she
handily bested in the only presidential debate of this most regrettable
of election cycles.
..

Yet recent economic indicators point to a souring mood among the
electorate—bad news for Harris. A recent Bloomberg News/Morning Consult
survey shows that voters in swing states see the economy as the most
important issue—and by a wide margin. A poll of 6,165 registered voters
conducted in late September shows that 39 percent of those surveyed say
the economy is the top issue, followed by immigration (13 percent),
abortion (11 percent), and democracy (10 percent).

Several factors likely are at play here. ...
Longer-term trends also point to growing disquiet among working and
middle class voters. The Democratic donor base and the political class
that feeds off of it might be surprised to learn that the country they
have led for 12 of the last 16 years has a Gini coefficient (a measure
of income inequality) on par with El Salvador and greater than that of
China and Russia.

Inextricably tied to measures of inequality is the growing gap in the
mortality rate between college-educated and non-college-educated
Americans. ...

Meanwhile, rates of intergenerational mobility have collapsed in recent
decades—regardless of whether or not one has a degree. ...

Indeed, multiple studies have shown that over the past 30 years,
beginning with the neoliberal, anti-labor policies put in place under
Bill Clinton, the U.S. has developed (or, more accurately, devolved)
into a kind of Vulture Economy, whereby those in control of the
economy’s commanding heights have resolved, using every means at their
disposal, to pick clean the bones of everyday Americans all the while
telling them that they’ve never had it so good."
bmoore
2024-10-26 17:45:38 UTC
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Post by ltlee1
You at first considered them somewhat traitorous. Now you say they are
somewhat foolish. Please try again. Give them some credit.
Why?
Post by ltlee1
However, to the extent that you or anyone can consider them collectively
equal to the pro-Harris side,
Not equal.
You are responding to your own words, aren't you?

Makes it quite hard to converse with you.

I thought you were a better correspondent.
ltlee1
2024-10-28 12:54:21 UTC
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"By now America is well versed in the predictions of the political
right’s potential response should Donald Trump lose on Nov. 5: Anxiety
boils about another stop-the-steal effort to contest the outcome.

Far less scrutinized: How might the left reckon with a Kamala Harris
defeat? How would the Democrats handle a result that many have for
months proclaimed is an existential threat to democracy itself?

As polls narrow, some Democratic stalwarts are trying to temper the
sense of despair and the occasionally apocalyptic forecasts sweeping
through their party. Jim Hannon, a psychotherapist and seasoned liberal
organizer in Massachusetts, counseled calm in an open letter last week,
noting Harris’s campaign strength, while urging a broader perspective.

“Trump could win. So, panic then? No,” he wrote. “A Trump presidency
would be awful but not the end of history.”

Democrats have been here before. In 2016, their bewilderment at Trump’s
victory gave way to a resistance that spawned the Women’s March that
drew nearly half-a-million protesters to Washington, D.C., and millions
more to related rallies nationwide.

This time would differ, many veterans of that movement agree. Trump is
no longer an unknown entity. Moreover, the possibility of his victory,
unimaginable to many eight years ago, is now as good as a coin toss."

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/left-wrestles-with-a-possible-trump-win-40857a95?mod=WTRN_pos2&cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_164&cx_artPos=1
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